pochi mazzi a base GUSH!!chissà come mai???!
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| Autore: | chapuzas [ ven 29 ott 2010, 10:50 ] |
| Oggetto del messaggio: | [11/10/2010 - Madrid] Vintage All Stars - Breakdown + Top 8 |
You'll find adittional information about the results, links to cards and Deck Metagame Breakdown in this link to Evolution Store. Tournament Data Format: Vintage (Invitational Event) Assistance: 24 Date: Monday, October 11th 2010 Where: Alcobendas, Madrid - Spain For those who doesn't know it, the All Stars is a private initiative in Spain for organizing the Spanish Nats of Vintage and Legacy... If some people plays the official Nats, Why wouldn't us be able to compete in the Legacy and Vintage Nats? The tournament is accesible invitation only, wth an special punctuation qualification method based in your position in the Top8 and the assistance to that event. It's only bassed, logically, in the results of spanish people in and out the frontiers during 2009. You'll find additional info (Mostly In Spanish) about the qualification methods in this link. Top8 (Swiss) 1 - Mendibe, Eneko - 15 2 - Ragull, Guillem - 13 3 - Madruga, Andres - 13 4 - Fernandez, Cesar - 13 5 - González, Rubén - 13 6 - Alonso, Raul - 12 7 - Lopez, Ivan - 12 8 - Apraiz, Josu - 12 Deck Breakdown Almost - 3 Tezzeret - 3 Gush Remora - 2 Lavadora - 2 MUD - 2 Drain Tendrils - 2 Remora - 1 Tezzcast - 1 Gush Tendrils - 1 TPS - 1 TTS - 1 Gush Painters - 1 5c Stax - 1 TezzPainters - 1 Dredge - 1 Noble Fish - 1 Top8 Decklists Tezzcast, by César Fernández - Champion Maindeck 3 Underground Sea 3 Volcanic Island 3 Scalding Tarn 4 Seat of the Synod 1 Tolarian Academy 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Mana Vault 2 Mox Opal 4 Force of Will 3 Mana Drain 3 Spell Pierce 1 Pyroblast 1 Red Elemental Blast 1 Time Vault 2 Voltaic Key 2 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Demonic tutor 1 Tinker 1 Time Walk 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm 1 Thirst for Knowledge 4 Thoughtcast 4 Dark Confidant 2 Jace, the Mindsculptor 1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind Sideboard 2 Duress 2 Thoughtseize 1 Mountain 4 Ingot Chewer 2 Shattering Spree 2 Lightning Bolt 1 Pyroblast 1 Red Elemental Blast Almost, by Guillem Ragull - Finalist Maindeck 4 Misty Rainforest 1 Flooded Strand 2 Underground Sea 2 Tropical island 4 Island 1 Tolarian Academy 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Black Lotus 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mana Vault 1 Ponder 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Brainstorm 1 Sensei's Divining Top 1 Time Walk 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Timetwister 1 Gifts Ungiven 4 Gush 1 Mind's Desire 3 Repeal 1 Chain of Vapor 1 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Rebuild 3 Mana Drain 4 Force of Will 1 Fastbond 1 Regrowth 1 Yawgmoth's Will 2 Tormod's crypt 2 Brain Freeze Sideboard 1 Forest 3 Nihil Spellbomb 3 Thoughtseize 2 Hurkyl's Recall 4 Tarmogoyf 2 Nature's Claim MUD, by Raúl Alonso - Semifinalist Maindeck 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Black Lotus 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Mana Vault 2 Sculpting Steel 4 Thorn of Amethyst 3 Karn, Silver Golem 1 Trinisphere 4 Sphere of resistance 4 Smokestack 3 Crucible of Worlds 4 Chalice of the void 4 Lodestone Golem 4 Tangle Wire 2 City of Traitors 4 Mishra's Workshop 1 Strip Mine 4 Wasteland 2 Mishra's Factory 1 Tolarian Academy 4 Ancient Tomb Sideboard 4 Staff of Domination 4 Metalworker 4 Duplicant 3 Wurmcoil Engine Almost, by Josu Apraiz - Semifinalist Maindeck 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Black Lotus 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mana Vault 2 Flooded Strand 2 Scalding Tarn 2 Polluted Delta 2 Island 2 Underground Sea 2 Tropical Island 1 Tolarian Academy 4 Force of Will 4 Duress 4 Gush 4 Preordain 4 Repeal 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Time Walk 1 Ponder 1 Brainstorm 1 Gifts Ungiven 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Fastbond 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Regrowth 1 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Mind's Desire 1 Timetwister 2 Brain Freeze Sideboard 4 Quirion Dryad 1 Tropical Island 1 Island 3 Hurkyl's Recall 3 Dispell 3 Nature's Claim Gush Tendrils, by Rubén González - Quarterfinalist Maindeck 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Mana Crypt 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Time Walk 1 Timetwister 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Brainstorm 1 Gifts Ungiven 4 Gush 4 Force of Will 3 Spell Pierce 2 Mana Drain 1 Mindbreak Trap 2 Preordain 3 Repeal 1 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Chain of Vapor 1 Jace, the Mindsculptor 1 Empty the Warrens 2 Fire / Ice 1 Vampiric tutor 1 Demonic tutor 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Tendrils of Agony 1 Fastbond 1 Regrowth 3 Volcanic Island 3 Underground Sea 1 Tropical island 4 Scalding Tarn 2 Polluted Delta 2 Island Sideboard 4 Ingot Chewer 1 Ancient Grudge 1 Pyroclasm 2 Red Elemental blast 1 Pyroblast 2 Nihil Spellbomb 2 Yixlid Jailer 1 Mindbreak Trap 1 Mountain TPS, by Andrés Madruga - Quarterfinalist Maindeck 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Black Lotus 1 Mana Crypt 1 Sol Ring 1 Lotus Petal 1 Mana Vault 1 Sensei's Divining Top 4 Dark Ritual 4 Dark Confidant 4 Duress 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Tendrils of Agony 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Memory Jar 1 Necropotence 1 Gifts Ungiven 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Time Walk 1 Timetwister 1 Windfall 1 Tinker 1 Mystical tutor 1 Merchant Scroll 2 Hurkil's Recall 1 Chain of Vapor 4 Force of Will 1 Ponder 1 Brainstorm 1 Mind's Desire 1 Scalding Tarn 2 Underground Sea 1 Tolarian Academy 4 Polluted Delta 2 Pantano 3 Isla Sideboard 1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind 1 Massacre 1 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Echoing Truth 1 Rebuild 2 Island 1 Sadistic Sacrament 1 Sower of Temptations 1 Yixlid jailer 1 Tormod's Crypt 1 Ravenous Trap 2 Thoughtseize 1 Darkblast 5Color Stax, by Eneko Mendibe - Quarterfinalist Maindeck 4 Mishra's Workshop 2 Ancient Tomb 1 Tolarian Academy 1 Strip Mine 4 Wasteland 4 City of Brass 4 Mox Opal 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Ruby 1 Sol Ring 1 Mana Crypt 1 Mana Vault 1 Black Lotus 4 Goblin Welder 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Tinker 1 Balance 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Trinisphere 4 Lodestone Golem 4 Smokestack 4 Chalice of the Void 4 Tangle Wire 4 Sphere of Resistance 2 Crucible of Worlds Sideboard 4 Leyline of the Void 4 Ancient Grudge 3 Nihil Spellbomb 3 Contagion Clasp 1 Crucible of Worlds GAT, by Iván López - Quarterfinalist Maindeck 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Ruby 1 Black Lotus 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Time Walk 1 Brainstorm 1 Ponder 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Regrowth 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Tinker 1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind 4 Quirion Dryad 4 Thoughtseize 4 Force of Will 4 Preordain 1 Fastbond 4 Gush 1 Merchant Scroll 1 Trygon Predator 2 Ancient Grudge 1 Mystical tutor 1 Hurkyl's Recall 4 Spell Pierce 3 Underground Sea 2 Tropical Island 2 Volcanic Island 4 Misty Rainforest 1 Scalding Tarn 2 flooded strand Sideboard 2 Red Elemental Blast 1 Mindbreak Trap 1 Yixlid Jailer 4 Leyline of the Void 1 Forest 1 Island 2 Nature's Claim 2 Lightning Bolt 1 Hurkyl's Recall Enjoy it!!! |
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| Autore: | wiky [ ven 29 ott 2010, 12:12 ] |
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pochi mazzi a base GUSH!!chissà come mai???!
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| Autore: | Konqueror [ ven 29 ott 2010, 12:17 ] |
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che sono i lavadora? |
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| Autore: | magic [ ven 29 ott 2010, 12:22 ] |
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... ma il tezzcast .. non gioka tezzeret?! 4 BOB e 2 jace.. configurazione davvero strana , con 2 mox opal , davvero interessante come lista..
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| Autore: | metalpower [ ven 29 ott 2010, 12:31 ] |
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magic ha scritto: ... ma il tezzcast .. non gioka tezzeret?!
4 BOB e 2 jace.. configurazione davvero strana , con 2 mox opal , davvero interessante come lista..non gioca neanche una terra base, gioca millanta artefatti da mana...non ha rimbalzi globali stile hurkyl, muore da null rod da calice a 0 da slando da fast robot..bha...ha vinto a fortuna |
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| Autore: | chapuzas [ ven 29 ott 2010, 18:56 ] |
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Lavadora is a deck full of draw 7s, blue style, that wins with Molten Psyche and Memory Jar. The Tezzcast didn't run Tezzeret because it wasn't necessary and Jace was far better, really important when you rely on Confidant so much. metalpower ha scritto: magic ha scritto: ha vinto a fortuna Maybe is not just luck. It might be that the deck was metagamed. |
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| Autore: | Mr. Sligh [ ven 29 ott 2010, 19:51 ] |
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metalpower ha scritto: magic ha scritto: ... ma il tezzcast .. non gioka tezzeret?! 4 BOB e 2 jace.. configurazione davvero strana , con 2 mox opal , davvero interessante come lista..non gioca neanche una terra base, gioca millanta artefatti da mana...non ha rimbalzi globali stile hurkyl, muore da null rod da calice a 0 da slando da fast robot..bha...ha vinto a fortuna Beh ma se giochi una lista di Tezzeret con dentro 4 Thoughtcast pensi davvero che il 4x di Confidant sia necessario (vuoi mettere i danni che ci prendi)? Se giochi con 2 Voltaic Key, e hai impostato il mazzo per pescare di più, pensi davvero che sia necessario Tezzeret (non basta fare una Brainstorm per trovare quello che manca)? A me quella lista piace, ma soprattutto è da molto che la vedo girare... Il nickname chapzuas non mi nuovo: posta spesso su TMD ed è un giocatore che è spesso presente nelle top8 spagnole... Non lo conosco di persona, ma lo ammiro per aver buildato e creduto in un mazzo SUO... I mox opal sono l'unica cosa che mi lasciano un pò perplesso... |
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| Autore: | metalpower [ ven 29 ott 2010, 20:03 ] |
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quella lista non ha nessuna possibilità di rimuovere I PALI in g1... terra sfera...non gioca rimbalzi non la toglie più terra calice... gaddok...non lo toglie mindcestor non lo toglie.. bha... |
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| Autore: | Mr. Sligh [ ven 29 ott 2010, 20:53 ] |
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metalpower ha scritto: quella lista non ha nessuna possibilità di rimuovere I PALI in g1...
terra sfera...non gioca rimbalzi non la toglie più terra calice... gaddok...non lo toglie mindcestor non lo toglie.. bha... Sì senza dubbio... Ma avrai anche notato che ci sono due slot di main occupati da reb effect... Beh, non credo di sbagliare quando penso che quelli siano veri e propri meta slot... Molto probabilmente aveva pronosticato una grande affluenza di gush.deck e ha optato per le reb... Nel caso il match up più probabile fosse stato artifact avrebbe sicuramente messo altro... Poi, comunque, c'è da dire che di side è ben fornito contro artifact: 1 Mountain 4 Ingot Chewer 2 Shattering Spree 2 Lightning Bolt Sulle creature invece non mi ci metto neanche a discutere... Non vedo un mindcensor in vintage da anni... E Gaddock tanto meno... Ora come ora le uniche creature di cui terrei conto buildando una side sono le Quirion Dryad (e un pò i Goyf per chi li gioca in side di Jacerator)... 
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| Autore: | chapuzas [ ven 29 ott 2010, 22:54 ] |
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I think that the most important thing is that I have read the metagame to perfection. This is the Spanish Invitational (I think that you have yours just before the Ovino) and all the players are known, you can create a list just to know how many of each deck you can expect. It's VERY important to understand that I created this variant and its maindeck choices (Such as REB) just because I expected a metagame like that. This is the final turnout (linked at the beginning of the first post): Almost - 3 Tezzeret - 3 Gush Remora - 2 Lavadora - 2 MUD - 2 Drain Tendrils - 2 Remora - 1 Tezzcast - 1 Gush Tendrils - 1 TPS - 1 TTS - 1 Gush Painters - 1 5c Stax - 1 TezzPainters - 1 Dredge - 1 Noble Fish - 1 And this is what I had written down, what I expected vefore the tournament: Blue Control/Tezz/Comboish/Gush/Almost - 15/20 Workshop Decks - 2/5 TPS/Storm Combo - 2/3 Oath Decks - 1/2 Dredge - 1/2 Fish Variants - 1/2 I think that it was well predicted, and the only fail was in OAth, I was almost sure that a player was coming with it, but it just didn't matter to me. As an additional information, this is the second year in a row that I won the spanish invitationals (Vintge All Stars), and also with the same deck, in this link you'll fin the lists and the breakdown from the last year. As you see, there's a tradition in Spain for playing Blue controlish and comboish variants, specially amongst the best players, and that's where Tezzcast shines, in the matchup vs blue variants, at least that's why I created Tezzcast, to perform well overall in a metagame like that. |
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| Autore: | red.devil [ sab 30 ott 2010, 19:30 ] |
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It seems that shop decks are not so popular in Spain. César, you made interesting choices to perform at best in your meta, so congratulations for your result! 
What can you tell me about Mox Opal? Did you find it always usefull or are they "dead cards" sometimes? |
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| Autore: | khaleb [ sab 30 ott 2010, 19:49 ] |
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Congratulations! It's seems just like you won twice... a first time against your opponents, and a second time against the choice of the meta. Great build, and great game plan too, original but solid. |
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| Autore: | chapuzas [ sab 30 ott 2010, 19:57 ] |
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red.devil ha scritto: It seems that shop decks are not so popular in Spain.
What can you tell me about Mox Opal? Did you find it always usefull or are they "dead cards" sometimes? Mox Opal in Tezzcast is never a dead card. I just remember one game in all the 8 rounds I played that Opal didn't work in the first turn. Having 2-3 artifacts in the first turn is usual in this deck (Artifact Lands, Moxen, Top-Keys...) and even in that situation, it helped to reduce the cost of a first turn Thoughtcast to 2. |
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| Autore: | kaiser_soze [ dom 31 ott 2010, 0:42 ] |
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Very accurate analysis of the event: your deck semms the best for the 24 tournament (no hate,yes party  ).
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| Autore: | Garathiel [ mar 2 nov 2010, 2:35 ] |
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chapuzas ha scritto: red.devil ha scritto: It seems that shop decks are not so popular in Spain. What can you tell me about Mox Opal? Did you find it always usefull or are they "dead cards" sometimes? Mox Opal in Tezzcast is never a dead card. I just remember one game in all the 8 rounds I played that Opal didn't work in the first turn. Having 2-3 artifacts in the first turn is usual in this deck (Artifact Lands, Moxen, Top-Keys...) and even in that situation, it helped to reduce the cost of a first turn Thoughtcast to 2. IO L'AVEVO DETTO PORCA TROIA
MISHRAW TE L'AVEVO DETTO CHE CAMBIAVAMO IL META!
--- My props to you Chapuzas, I played a lot the 2009 version too and liked it so much.
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